For some reason best known to them they have ceded all flights to Europe from Atlanta to Virgin. Since then, more have been added. Fridges filled with drinks, as well as coffee and tea machines are also nearby. Apparently, there is some delay in cabin refurbishment. For information on refunds, visit their website. Air France vs. Delta Business Class Have recently asked question as reply to Paris trip report, so forgive the repetition, but perhaps will get additional input in this forum. Posts: 97,896. For drinks, Delta has a good roster from top-quality champagne and wine to common liquor like Peach Bellini and Grey Goose Vodka. Avoid it at all costs because all around its not worth paying much more than a domestic first/business class fare. Relax in privacy on selected aircraft Delta puts privacy front and centre on its newest and newly-refurbished aircraft, offering a sliding privacy door at your modern business class suite. Here, the menu includeshors doeuvre,bread basket,entres, and cheeses, with a dessert cart includingpetit fours,pastries, and tartles. Plus, this month only, enroll in my FREE 5 lesson course that has helped others book over $4MM+ every year in free travel using points. Image Credit: Air France, Air France Boeing 777. You make me want to have some skypesos to burn. Tiffany - I have lots of AA miles, and lots of Chase Ultimate Rewards, SPG miles. However, Air France is in the process of reconfiguring their entire longhaul fleet, and thenew business class looks lovely. 8/10. In front of each seat is an 18.5-inch monitor with a multitude of shows and movies for entertainment. I have the Delta credit card, so that also inspires me. You can also lower the armrest of the seat to give you extra width. I am looking to book some flights to Israel for next year and am curious the difference between the Delta One Suites and Air France Business Class. Frankly DL's reverse herringbone business class on their A330 (which is used on many US-Europe routes) is probably only surpassed by the new AF Business Class. Their crappy old planes, the seat layout where you cannot look out the windows so you spend your time staring at another person because you are angled facing that person, the truly awful meals for a business class product. However, for a more robust connection, you can go with. Theyve partnered with Someone Somewhere, a Mexico-based brand. It would be delta one vs AF airbus 350 business class. © 2023 France Travel Blog. On occasion, you might spot high-end toiletries stocked here. As for in-flight entertainment, the airline offers Audio Video on Demand (AVOD) in every cabin on long flights. The soft products, which are also sound, can stand some minor improvements here and there. Maybe it's the esthetiques. Also, AVOD is available from prior to the flight until engine shutdown at the arrival gate. However, this doesnt apply to Basic Economy fares. What a steal between the US and Europe! Premium Economy: Price. Delta will give you credit, not a refund in most cases. Image Credit: Air France, Air France Seats B777. These airlines have been around for a long while, and thats why Im sure that youll be having a great time when you get to board to your destination. Watch out for the AF aircraft with 2-3-2 seating in business class. Videos will show you, that the AF seats angle away from the aisle, the partition encircling the pod doesn't close entirely, leaving room to enter and exit. Air France/KLM Flying Blue miles are some of the easiest points to earn since they partner with so many bank partners. The Points Universityteaches you how to earn points and exchange them for luxury hotel bookings and fantastic first or business class flights! If you are skyteam elite/plus and you notice that Air France sells 'light' fares and a standard fare that both are listed as having 'no skypriority benefits', don't worry about that. Business class passengers on Delta One get priority boarding and check-in, including two free checked baggage of up to 70 pounds (32 kilos) each. Air Frances service is fantastic. I'm going to be very careful booking AF in the future. Air Frances newest seats are modern and chic perfectly capturing the impeccable style the airline embodies. I was in pain by the end of the flight. Did visit lounges in Atlanta and LA. The airline was recently ranked second among the worlds largest airlines by the number of scheduled passengers carried, fleet size, and revenue passenger-kilometers flown. This was true on all four flights, so I'd hazard it's part of the corporate culture. Air France and Delta Air offer two of the most premium business cabins flying in the air today. Its going to make your trip extra comfortable thanks to its fully private doors, spacious legroom, and stylish design. I saw a post recently from one of those mega frequent flyers who was flying Zurich to LA, he swore that the attendants on one side of business were nice and on the other side were surly. Meals begin with starters, then mains, and dessert including a cheese plate. In 52 countries on 6 continents, Delta serves 325 destinations as its carrier flies as many as 200 million passengers in a year. That way it can become an around the work in first class trip! The cost in delta skymiles is much more for delta one than AF business class. @Tiffany: Great post even if you're infringing on my SkyTeam beat here ;-) What I'd add would be: -Air France's catering is of a bit better quality than KLM, Alitalia or Virgin Atlantic (and if you're harping on KLM's dinnerware, you're forgetting AF has Christofle cutlery) -Air France's service is not just stylish, but actively warm/personable -CDG is the worst, but that's not entirely AF's fault (after all, Terminal 1 which is the -Air France's catering is of a bit better quality than KLM, Alitalia or Virgin Atlantic (and if you're harping on KLM's dinnerware, you're forgetting AF has Christofle cutlery) differences between first and business class, Quick Glance: Air France Business Class vs. Delta One Business Class, The Details: Air France Business Class vs. Delta One Business Class. My preference? Review: EgyptAir Lounge Cairo Airport (CAI), Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. Delta Air Lines domestic first-class seats onboard the Airbus A220. In addition, if your baggage item is beyond the weight limit for your fare, without exceeding 32 kg/70.5 Ib, there is a mandatory fee to be paid at the airport. Aircraft in the Delta and their respective age. Hope it's better this year as I'm going with KLM on the outbound flight and Virgin on the flight back to the States. Onboard Entertainment: Air France offers 500 hours of on-demand video programming, including classic and current movies, foreign films, concerts, documentaries and TV series, plus a variety of music channels and games. Yes. If lounges are important to you, its hard to do better in business class than the Virgin Clubhouses. If youre looking at travel between North America andEurope, SkyMiles are still one of the best options once you factor in availability and overall cost. Great rundown. If you like to accumulate Skymiles, I'd also be concerned about whether you'll earn those if you book directly on Air France. Meanwhile, the company will have to cut emissions by half in 2024 for flights within mainland France. Instead, take your pick from this amazing list of travel credit cards to get the most points value for every use. I hadn't flown DL in forever and don't collect their miles, but bought one of their relatively inexpensive business class fares to Madrid and found it to be quite good. However, you can count on all business class seats to fully recline, making for a comfortable sleep, especially on long-haul flights. I seem to remember that used to be true. The airport/transfer experience. As Ive mentioned before,Alitalia isan Italian airline. Air France A380 Business Class However, Air France is in the process of reconfiguring their entire longhaul fleet, and the new business class looks lovely. One thing you can count on when you get onboard the Delta One is that youll get beautiful and stylish seats. I know they are partners, and their fares are the same. Also, my AmEx card gives me priority boarding on Delta flights. If you fly from Miami, only AirFrance operates that code share flight. The reconfiguration is being done by aircraft type in the following order: At present, the new business class is available between New York and Paris, along with flights AF72 and AF69 between Los Angeles and Paris. The Air France Premium Economy products is closer to economy class than it is to businesscompetitors on the same routes offer more spacious seating and more upgraded meals. Delta has recently extended the life of credit vouchers. Or is that a gay thing like Lucky Ben and The Points Guy? Aboard the 777-200, you get a single but bigger lavatory for business class. For those that have flown is their a major. The 777 is older. I asked about an upgrade to First for my trouble and delay, but AF said it was not possible, even though that cabin turned out to be empty. Peter is the editor of France Travel Blog. It all depends on availability, return flights, etc. Delta One is the top Business Class product of the airline and it is available on extended hauls international flights such as from Los Angeles to New York-JFK and San Francisco. You just have to go to the Air France website to make your choice, and it's been at no charge. You may undergo a schedule change that switches you from one to the other. If the price is your biggest factor when making the decision on which class to fly in, you should probably choose to fly Economy. I generally shop by price and fly main cabin, so in the big picture, it doesn't matter. @ Sergey -- I actually haven't flow Aeroflot yet. Delta FAs are great too, so I'd call it even. Passengers can view this on setback touchscreens on most of the airlines major aircrafts. Stop applying for credit cards with high-interest rates and bad deals for points. Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France all do a nice job maybe top 20 not top 10. ultra-premium trip aboard La Premiere cabin, top-tier lounges across the United States, Air France has a new premium business class lounge at their hub airport in. I have had great service and horrid on these airlines and basically any airline :), The wine served with the meal is better on Air France. You'll think you booked with one and end on a plane run by the other. Oh well. Dave makes an excellent point ! The airline manages the Air France Vaccinations Center in the 7th arrondissement, Paris. Anyone have experience with either or both of them? DLOne has fflatbed seats, good food /service. Guests on Delta One also receive access to the Delta Sky Club when flying out of cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, Atlanta, Seattle, or New Yorks JFK. The pouch is a soft herringbone-patterned zip crafted from 96% recycled material and complemented by a signature red zipper. Booking confirmation usually bears these conditions. Delta One seats feature a family-friendly or companion-friendly center aisle. Air France's business class seats are the same as first class seats in terms of privacy. I would fly Delta just so you don't have to deal with the possibility of a strike. Alitalia already has the best catering of anytransatlantic SkyTeam carrier, in my opinion, so Im excited to see the new concepts. In either case you can use the Skyclub and AF lounges. I am flying out of LAX tonight on AF69 (777-300ER) business class, and found it still has old 2-3-2 configuration. Air France's 777-300ERs feature three seating configurations. Even their short Euro flight had a decent meal. Staying in the Basic Economy with no elite status or an airline credit card means you will incur fees for checked luggage wherever you fly. If you want something more robust, you can purchase The Stream Pass or The Surf Pass. Just go to the partner's website and add your Delta FF# to the itinerary. I have flown DL pretty much exclusively the past decade or so, but just returned from four long flights on KLM -- LAX-AMS-CPT-AMS-JFK -- and was extremely happy with the experience. How you use the space is up to you! Committed to Air France's mission to provide passengers superior comfort, the new Business seat draws on the 3F concept: Full Flat, the seat converts into a 2-meter long (6'5"), fully flat bed. Made from recycled plastic, guests have praised it for being extremely comfortable and perfect for sleeping. Once transformed into a bed, the seat measures 76 inches in pitch which can sleep persons as tall as 6 feet and 4 inches. @ Fabio -- Thanks! Whats a business class product these days? For the last (and shortest) of these flights, KLM switched equipment, moving from a 777 with new World Business Class to one with old (Northwest product). Delta has Basic Economy, Main Cabin, Comfort, Premium Select, Delta First, and Delta One. Planes depend on the flight. As for ticket modification and flight change, the fare conditions related to your ticket determine this. With aviation changing radically over the past few years, it can be tough to figure out the differences between first and business class, or even various business cabins provided by different airlines. Formerly calledHop!,Air France Hop operates most of its regional domestic and continental scheduled services with a fleet of regional jet aircraft. You can pick seats, always through the Air France site, sometimes in the Delta app. If you dont like fun, this is not a good choice for you. For those that have flown is their a major. I know my preference but that is only one factor in the selection. As a SkyTeam member, youll also receive access to other premium airport lounges offered by partner airlines in various cities all over the world. I've flown AF the last 2 years on their A333 which had the old seats but in a 2x2x2 config. Business class seats differ greatly depending on the aircraft. -CDG is the worst, but that's not entirely AF's fault (after all, Terminal 1 which is the non-SkyTeam terminal is just as horrid), and AF's lounges in CDG are very, very strong I believe there are some lingering A330s with angled-flat seats, but those still arent a terrible option as a worst-case (at least their angled flat seats are only six across, Air France). We will be booking business class tickets. I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. I am (most unhappily) seated in such a section on an AF from ATL to CDG tonight. The main difference is that Delta has staggered seats in the window rows, and the seats closest to the windows offer a little more privacy, while AF has the reverse herringbone configuration. Air France and Delta Air Lines are two of the biggest carriers in the aviation world. Air France is the only airline to offer a Business class service in France. Both have seats that lay down flat and each passenger has their own pod. Soon after settling in your seat, an attendant will hand out the menu and offer welcome drinks. Counted among the top-tier lounges across the United States, youll find Delta Sky Club lounges to be stylish and fresh. Curious to know which option is better. Image Credit: Air France. The new 777s have outstanding AVOD and all the charging plugs you could want, though they're over your shoulder. On the one hand, their flight attendants are fabulously, nearly uncomfortablystylish. Compared to the previous lounge, this ones larger with a four-door entrance thats hard to miss. Delta One includes lie-flat seating for different aircraft, and direct access from all the seats on all the different types of aircraft with the exception if Boeing . Delta and Air France both offer several fare classes, much to the convenience of passengers. I am looking at a flight in September from Atlanta to Paris and can fly either with Delta or Air France business class, yes they code share. Review: read my review of Delta's Business Class in a Airbus A350 here. 2023 Rick Steves' Europe, Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy. All Air France planes are scheduled to have the new product by the summer of 2017. Get business class award alerts like this one sent straight to your inbox with Thrifty Traveler Premium! Wonderful posts and responses. What seats are available and what are they next to. Air France Business Class A350-900 details. @Anthony I more than agree and will Virgin has the cool factor that neither SQ, LH, CX and EK have. It just sets the mood for the dining experience. Air France has 90% of their fleet equipped with Wi-Fi. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. Depending on the plane, business class guests get one or two lavatories. I generally take a tablet so that doesn't bother me. Air France offers a variety of seating options in business class, so it is important to choose the seat that best meets your needs. The newer IFEs comes with over 350 films, mostly French titles, including an array of TV shows, documentaries, podcasts, and music. Air France business or first class prices for my destinations have typically been less expensive (connecting flight itineraries). Delta's business class seat (left) vs. Air France's business class seat (right). Three reasons we love Delta business class 1. For the last (and shortest) of these flights, KLM switched equipment, moving from a 777 with new World Business Class to one with old (Northwest product). Totally agree on the AF 7 across. All seats in Air France business class cabins lie flat. It's very different from Delta domestic first class, where most will not even exchange a quick hello. Air France Business Class Bed. Air France is working to convert all Business Class seats to the fully flat, all-aisle-access setup soon. I actually have found them pretty comfy.but that's probably more due to the champagne + ambien than the actual seat. What are the connecting flights and airports if any? She said she had used AAdvantage miles because she travels a lot for work. Noise from the galley can still come through. These are angled seats, angled towards the window, or angled toward each other, if in the middle. On the newer Safran Seats, guests can enjoy a 17.3-inch 4K touchscreen monitor. We've flown a number of times on Delta, Air France, and KLM and I feel that plane amenities and customer service are comparable on all our flights. Monthly subscriptions begin at $69.95. When we booked, Air France had cut business class award rates to and from Miami (MIA) by 25% - dropping the final cost as low as 39,750 miles for a one-way flight. Alitalia is poised to get some hand-me-downs a makeover from Etihad, which will result in a more stylish cabin, Wi-Fi, and some updates to the catering. The Delta 767s still have the "straight ahead" layout which I kind of like, pictures online will illustrate that for you better than I can describe it but your feet end up in the space between the seats in front when you're fully reclined. Delta also offers about 1000 hours of free entertainment, including TV series and movies, via the Delta Studio system. It uses Airbus A320 family aircraft on short-haul routes. If you are a resident of another country or region, please select the appropriate version of Tripadvisor for your country or region in the drop-down menu. Delta lets you pre-order meals ahead of time online or in their Delta App. As a single traveler, I generally prefer private pods, though I far prefer those on DL A330s (which face out on the sides) to DL 777s (which seem similar to VS). what about the food selections on either airline. On Air France the flight to Europe will be covered by the EU261 rules, on Delta it will not be. @ RakSiam @Bgriff -- Oh, absolutely, and Delta has a very nice business class as well! Delta has Basic Economy, Main Cabin, Comfort, Premium Select, Delta First, and Delta One. 6. These were miles I already had sitting in my account from a cancelled trip Austin - Amsterdam roundtrip at the start of the pandemic. The new product only has four seats across. I was seated next to a friend of the pilot, who was brought meals and drinks from (the empty) First Class cabin. 60 Airbus A220-300s have already replaced the smaller Airbus A318. It's due to the amount of miles required for Delta that my flights are now in AF or Virgin Atlantic, both Sky Team members that charge many fewer miles or $. Any additional tips/recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Aboard the Delta One cabin, guests can pre-order meals from 30 days up to 24 hours before their flight. These seats fully recline, provide ample storage, feature a great IFE, and have excellent amenity kits. She called the Executive Platinum line to make the bookings (and she did it on the first call!). Aboard the Boeing 777-200 and certain 777-300, the seats are arranged in a 1-2-1 layout. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines, Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class Overview. Air France Vs Delta. I did find that, for all hour KLM flights, my stranger-seatmates were delightful. For messaging on Facebook or WhatsApp, its free. All of the seats are forward facing and upholstered with striking blue leather fabric with diamond stitching detail. Two Adults and one three year old child. Aside from fantastic seats, you get premium lounge access including priority check-in or boarding. Tiffany - enjoy your style and posts. The business class in the A380 was no longer up to today's standards, unlike the business class that's installed in the Boeing 787-Dreamliner and Airbus A350, which is modern and comfortable. If you are on a long-haul flight, you will be served complimentary champagne and drinks in every class. We flew BC with Delta (domestic), KLM and AF (both transatlantic and within Europe).last year. Its followed by a cheese plate. Just a small tip of advice: do NOT fly AF B. Its not the best but comes with decent performance. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Never thought that would happen! Criteria Delta 777-200 Air France 777-200; Cabin Arrangement: 1-2-1 Herringbone: . Our family is pretty good fliers although we have never flown 9 hours straight. Well this is an interesting matchup! The major downside to Virgin Atlantic is London Heathrow. But I also live on the West Coast, and I like going to Europe. Am starting to collect Citi Thank You Rewards as well. Air France offers staples like a pillow, blankets, hangers, and slippers for business class guests. Deli spread at the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse LHR. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. So connections from London are limited, and not terribly convenient. Although the Delta One suites are a strong contender, this one goes to Air France. Air France flies the A350-900 model, which it configures with 34 business seats in a 1-2-1 layout. Its topped off with dessert including Deltas famous sundae. As a single traveler, I generally prefer private pods, though I far prefer those on DL A330s (which face out on the sides) to DL 777s (which seem similar to VS). See more about our ethics policies here. Once you start with those vlogs, the almighty Youtube algorithm will take you way, way down the rabbit hole into the whole world of folks who fly business & first and post about it for a living. I may buck the trend here, but I HATED Virgin Atlantic. All rights reserved. Everyones intestinal process is their own and varied greatly. I also find Delta Economy better but Air France's business has better food (especially now from what I hear), In flight service in coach varies on both. Overall it my People discount Delta because the lack of "prestige" airline partners like Lufthansa, Cathay, Singapore, Emirates, the perceived lack of availability of premium award space, and a previously broke award calendar. Could be worse. Free mobile message is also available on iMessage, Whatsapp, and Facebook Messenger through their onboard network. I was very pleasantly surprised. Delta One Business Class Amenity Kit Someone Somewhere. And yes, YouTube videos can help. However, for other status perks, like an upgrade, you either can not get one, or are at the back of the pack behind the AF status holders. It's much better :-). Air France has La Premire, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy. For the return, I had a late connection from Rome. You can expect a width of 21 inches and a pitch of 77 to 78 inches, providing plenty of room to lounge and sleep. A sub fleet of the 777-300 might still carry the old 2-3-2 configuration, often those flying over the Caribbean or Indian Ocean. After taking your order, the dinner meal will be served soon after takeoff. A points consultant is the right person to talk to if you want to experience luxury travel for cheap! The seats measure 78 inches in pitch and about 21 inches wide. SU (Aeroflot) is another option for Europe. Beware that the KLM 747 Combi has an inferior AVOD system with low-res screens and no USB charger (though there is AC charging). I loved this post! For the last (and shortest) of these flights, KLM switched equipment, moving from a 777 with new World Business Class to one with old (Northwest product). However, its the highest and most premium cabin offered on long-haul and international routes. Delta has officially announced that there will be no change of fees on tickets in certain fare classes on flights originating from North America. It would be delta one vs AF airbus 350 business class. Therefore, the airline intends to put more Airbus A220 on its domestic network. I seem to remember that used to be true. Anyway, back to KLM, I found the FAs to be extremely pleasant, knowledgeable, and eager to keep the passengers happy. Fixed now! I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. Premium Delta Sky Club lounge access is available with access to partner lounges across the world. Air France A350-900 routes. Air France offers one of the most prestigious and luxurious cabins in the air right, the Air France La Premiere. I was unceremoniously rebooked into a middle seat on a777 leaving three hours later. The older cabins might feature an 18.5-inch touchscreen monitor. AF356 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 1415, arriving in Toronto at 1745, a flight of around seven hours and thirty minutes . (Old rule was that the credit is valid for one year from the date of original purchase of the tickets.) Air France wins this hands down thanks to their chef-curated meals and impeccable service. Seriously, though, Tiffany-- fantastic post. I also love how KLM has continued their pre-deregulation tradition of giving passengers a last drink on the house. If you thought the dishes were fun. Connecting to Wi-Fi is easy. Air France 777 Business Class Seat Most of Air France's 777s including the one I flew have a 1-2-1-across reverse herringbone seat that gives you TONS of space and solid privacy.
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